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Chatting with Heather Moyse about Overcoming Challenges and Thriving in Life and Business
In this episode of the She Needs Grit podcast, hosted by Sam Varner, we had the privilege of sitting down with Heather, a remarkable individual who boasts a four-time Olympian and two-time Olympic gold medalist in bobsledding, is a World Rugby Hall of Famer, and an international track cyclist. Heather's unconventional journey into professional sports began at the age of 27, growing up in Prince Edward Island with an academic background that considered sports extracurricular.
Despite starting her serious athletic training later than many, Heather's drive and determination propelled her to represent Canada in three different sports. During the conversation, Heather shared her philosophy on life and sports, emphasizing being fueled by challenges rather than the desire to win. This approach extends to her work with clients, where she helps them set goals based on values rather than external pressures.
Heather highlighted the importance of making value-based decisions and expressed gratitude for having parents who supported her interests without pressure. Her story underscores the power of self-belief and pursuing personal challenges, urging us to question self-limiting beliefs with a powerful query: "Are you sure?" This perspective encourages doubt in our doubts and opens up unexplored possibilities.
Apart from her athletic accomplishments, Heather holds a master's degree in occupational therapy, shaping her understanding of perspective and mindset in overcoming challenges. She discussed the need for rest and recovery in all aspects of life, emphasizing the benefits of taking a step back for a better perspective and more significant progress.
Heather also unveiled her exciting venture into hosting retreats, providing a space for individuals to disconnect from daily life noise and reconnect with personal desires and goals. These destination retreats promise unique cultural experiences, personal growth, and reflection opportunities.
As the conversation concluded, Heather shared her belief in living a fulfilling life over material success, emphasizing the importance of thriving in all facets of life. Listeners were directed to Heather's book, "Redefining Realistic," for insights into overcoming challenges and developing personal philosophies.
To connect with Heather, listeners can visit her website for speaking engagements, coaching, and details on her retreats. She is also active on social media, particularly Instagram and Facebook. As a special gift, Heather is offering a mini video series filled with bursts of inspiration and motivation.
This episode is a true treat, filled with valuable life lessons and strategies for personal and professional growth. Heather's story serves as a powerful reminder that it's never too late to pursue passions, and the journey itself can be as rewarding as the destination. Don't forget to go to Heather's website at https://www.heathermoyse.com/ to get her book and learn more. Check out her free mini video series at https://tr.ee/YNAsIOybAq. Thank you for tuning in, and until next time, keep embracing the grit that drives you forward.
Transcript
Okay, everybody, this is your host, Sam Varner of the She Needs
Speaker:Grit podcast. And today I have a treat for
Speaker:you for a couple of reasons. First and
Speaker:foremost, I get to chat with another Canadian. So get
Speaker:ready for some Canadian discussion, people. We are definitely going
Speaker:to go there. But Heather, thank you so
Speaker:I am really, really pumped. Oh my gosh, you're welcome. I'm super stoked
Speaker:Okay, so I don't even know where to start. I'm like, all right, what do we
Speaker:want to talk about, Heather? Do we want to talk about, I want you
Speaker:to give everybody a little picture of,
Speaker:I'm trying to decide what part of your life we want to talk about first. Let's go
Speaker:with your athletic history. Do
Speaker:a little rundown of what kind of an athlete are you, Heather, because it's a
Speaker:Okay, well, what kind of an athlete am I? In terms of my credentials
Speaker:at the moment, I am a four-time Olympian,
Speaker:two-time Olympic gold medalist in bobsledding, but
Speaker:I'm also in the World Rugby Hall of Fame, and I also competed
Speaker:internationally in track cycling, but just for one
Speaker:winter to rehab an ankle injury, but that actually made it
Speaker:my third sport, representing Canada in my third sport. So
Speaker:that's kind of the height of where I've taken sports.
Speaker:That was a pretty good nutshell, actually. Yeah. You know, all
Speaker:that being said, I actually didn't start taking sports seriously and
Speaker:actually training for sports until I was 27. So the
Speaker:only reason, I mean, I played sports my whole life, but just for fun, I grew up in a
Speaker:very academic family where sport was always extracurricular to
Speaker:what I was going to do to earn a living. I also grew up in PEI in
Speaker:Prince Edward Island, the smallest Canadian province for any non-Canadian people
Speaker:watching or listening, which when I was growing up was only accessible by
Speaker:boat or by plane. So now we have
Speaker:a bridge, 13 kilometer bridge, which helps. But when I was growing up, like there
Speaker:weren't people around me training for the Olympics. So Olympians,
Speaker:they were TV people. I just never considered it to be
Speaker:a possibility. It's not that I said, Oh, I can't do that. It's
Speaker:just that it never really occurred to me to be an option or a choice.
Speaker:That was kind of it. And even through university, I played three
Speaker:varsity sports and still I never lifted weight. I
Speaker:was just playing for fun. I also made the national women's rugby
Speaker:team without having left to wait. Like I just didn't even know we
Speaker:had a national women's rugby team when they announced that I had made this long
Speaker:list for this team. So yeah, I was a bit oblivious, not
Speaker:gonna lie, like a bit oblivious going through, but I
Speaker:mean, I think in a way that was a blessing for me, and especially in hindsight,
Speaker:realizing that I was able to make more value-based decisions when I
Speaker:was older, instead of just feeling the pressure going all the way through of having to
Speaker:do something or having to please something. I also feel very blessed that my parents weren't
Speaker:hardcore sports people. Like they care the world about
Speaker:me and my siblings, but they could care less if we played sports. We
Speaker:wanted to be active and healthy, but you know, I don't know what would
Speaker:have happened had I grown up with like, hardcore parents who
Speaker:suddenly gave birth to an athletically gifted child. And at
Speaker:the time, like I say that now looking back, but you know, at the time I
Speaker:probably would have revolted or burnt out really early or
Speaker:who knows anyway. So that whole journey with them actually starting to
Speaker:take it seriously started when I was 27. And that only
Speaker:started because I was suddenly faced with this challenge of seeing if
Speaker:I could qualify for the Olympic bobsled team and
Speaker:represent Canada in the next Olympics, which were less
Speaker:than five months later. That was
Speaker:my very first, like, it was honestly in that moment when
Speaker:I realized I am. fueled and motivated by challenges, not
Speaker:motivated by winning. I'm motivated by challenges, like almost as
Speaker:implausible or as unlikely as that goal seems. It
Speaker:wasn't so much about proving I was the best. It was just challenging myself to
Speaker:see how close I could get to that. And that's actually a strategy that
Speaker:I use with my clients a lot with how they set their goals and
Speaker:like where they set those and how they actually perceive those goals. So
Speaker:yeah, it's been really interesting. Like I really feel blessed that my journey was
Speaker:very different than most Olympic athletes. And
Speaker:I love, I think just the, I don't know what that is,
Speaker:kind of the inspiration behind that of like, okay, there is never
Speaker:a time where you couldn't accomplish a goal if
Speaker:given the right motivation, the opportunity that presents itself.
Speaker:Right. And I think sometimes Whether we're talking
Speaker:about athletics or whether we're talking about anything really in life is that
Speaker:we get these ideas in our head that you can only do it a
Speaker:certain way or it's always been done a certain way and you can't kind of buck that and
Speaker:So, so my master's degree is in occupational therapy. And
Speaker:what I loved about that profession, what I still love about that profession is
Speaker:the fact that I could help shift my
Speaker:client's perspective, my patient's perspective, to help
Speaker:them see the possibilities that still exist, regardless of whatever challenges they're
Speaker:facing. And occupational therapy is all about achieving a goal, whatever
Speaker:goal is important to them, and making them realize you don't have to
Speaker:get there the same way as anybody else. Or the end point, your life does
Speaker:not have to look like anybody else's. And I think we get stuck in
Speaker:our heads, we get stuck in our, Minds were very much, especially
Speaker:now social media, all about comparison and comparing
Speaker:ourselves to others can be paralyzing, can literally stop us
Speaker:in the tracks because of the self-doubt, the lack of self-belief, all
Speaker:of those, just the questioning, like the over and over and over in
Speaker:our heads, like that we can't be like that, or we can't, you
Speaker:know, we're often comparing our chapter ones to someone else's chapter 20. It's
Speaker:not fair, but we're not doing it intentionally and it can literally
Speaker:I agree. Although it's funny, I was having a conversation this morning with
Speaker:another business owner and she was saying she thinks comparison is
Speaker:absolutely critical. And I was like, okay, let's talk
Speaker:about, yeah. And the way that she brought it
Speaker:up and I'm like, okay, I can actually see this is having
Speaker:the ability to compare yourself from a reflective
Speaker:standpoint. So from a, could I do better? Can I
Speaker:do it differently? Can I exceed? what
Speaker:they're doing. So not necessarily from a, oh, they have
Speaker:more than me, they're better than me, they've accomplished more, and therefore I
Speaker:can't, but instead using it from that fuel of,
Speaker:well, if that's possible, that person's achieved that thing.
Speaker:So really, it really comes down to just mindset and how you choose to
Speaker:Yeah. And where you place it in the category. Do you place
Speaker:it as something that's deterring you from doing a thing? or is it
Speaker:the fuel? And if it's the fuel, then like compare away,
Speaker:that's going to have a great perspective on you, right?
Speaker:And I think it comes down to whether or not you know yourself well
Speaker:enough to identify what is the thing that drives
Speaker:me, right? So when we were talking about you being driven by the challenge,
Speaker:not necessarily by the accomplishment, knowing how
Speaker:we are actually driven, then I think you can use that comparison
Speaker:in a way that works for you, or you can avoid the comparison if
Speaker:you know it's going to be a deterrent, right? So I love that and kind of
Speaker:thinking like, okay, is it just about how we use it rather than,
Speaker:Oh, the ability to shift perspective and see different ways of looking
Speaker:is I think one of the keys to being able to be successful in
Speaker:anything. And mostly because you've got to help overcome the challenges that
Speaker:are inevitably going to pop up along the way. So like when I'm talking to
Speaker:people, yes, like there's a podium process that I help people go through
Speaker:and, you know, dream, plan, pursue, and then execute if it's a performance-based thing.
Speaker:But really if you separate those sections, it's
Speaker:the transition from one section to the next. It's our self-sabotage, like
Speaker:what stops you from actually wanting to do something and actually making a
Speaker:plan for it. And then what stops you from, after you
Speaker:have a plan, actually following through and going through with that. Those
Speaker:are often self-sabotage. And then within those sections, you
Speaker:get the obstacles and challenges you're facing, you know, the things that pop up, you
Speaker:know, on a. injuries or high inflation rates or,
Speaker:you know, interest rates have gone up. Exactly. All that stuff. So COVID,
Speaker:like all these external, you know, challenges that we're facing. Yeah. It
Speaker:again is your perspective and your mindset that will dictate
Speaker:whether or not you're going to choose to stay where you are and not
Speaker:move forward or whether you're actually going to choose to overcome, like,
Speaker:I love the how I think, and that was exactly where my brain went as well as
Speaker:There is a way to do this and therefore what is it? Right. I feel
Speaker:like that's one of the lessons. I mean, my clients face that all the time, but I
Speaker:think I see it even more so day to day with my kids where
Speaker:it's trying to shift them into the growth mindset piece rather
Speaker:than into the like, this is impossible. I can't do it. It's terrible. It's
Speaker:If you teach people to live in the how, just how,
Speaker:like, how can I do this? How can I overcome this? How close can
Speaker:I get like that challenging one? Like, yeah, sure. I just had hip surgery.
Speaker:I don't know. Maybe I won't be able to make the Olympics, you know, make that team in less than
Speaker:nine months, but you know, how close can I get? Like that's also
Speaker:that, how close can you get? It's such a powerful statement because it
Speaker:can disempower naysayers around you and it can re-empower the
Speaker:one saying it. So if someone's like, you can do that or
Speaker:like, You can be like, I have no idea. Like probably
Speaker:not, but I just want to see how close I can get. So as soon as you're
Speaker:like, you know what I'm taking away, I'm owning the fact that not achieving
Speaker:the top, top, top is a possibility, but I enjoy
Speaker:what I'm doing and I'm going to just see how close I can get. And it disempowers them
Speaker:and it re-empowers you. And whether that them, is the voice in your head or
Speaker:whether it is an in-law or a neighbor or
Speaker:a classmate who is envious of what you're doing, like whatever
Speaker:So how do you think that mentality was
Speaker:instilled in you? Like, that's my question is like, do you think that was just in
Speaker:your DNA or do you think that was something that was
Speaker:nurtured? Maybe not through sport. You know, as you said, your parents were like, we
Speaker:love you. It doesn't matter. Like sports are not our thing. We're not those crazy people. Well,
Speaker:Fortunately, they never said I couldn't do
Speaker:something unless it was going past my curfew. But in terms of like,
Speaker:absolutely not. But I mean, if it was like my
Speaker:sister, for example, when she was young, as ridiculous as anything was,
Speaker:my parents, they were teaching us almost foresight and they were teaching
Speaker:us about visualization and they were teaching us about like
Speaker:breaking things down and how to get there. So my sister, she was young,
Speaker:wanted to be a chickadee, like a bird. She wanted to be a bird when
Speaker:she grew up. And parents never said, you do
Speaker:know that that's not ever going to happen, right? Why? Why? I mean,
Speaker:you don't need to crush someone's dreams when
Speaker:This is not going to be a long-term problem that we're having. Probably not.
Speaker:You can sort it out. All my parents did was say, what would
Speaker:be the first thing you would do? What's the first thing you're going to do when you become a
Speaker:chickadee? Or if you were to become a chickadee, what would you do first? Or
Speaker:what would be your favorite part about that or whatever? Or if I said something that'd
Speaker:be an astronaut, it was like, oh, that would be neat. What do
Speaker:you think an astronaut, what do you think it would take? Or what do you think an
Speaker:astronaut needs to know in order to be a NASA? Like, what do you think they need
Speaker:to learn? And so all of a sudden I'm kind of inadvertently learning
Speaker:how to break things down or the qualities that you need to be a certain thing,
Speaker:or you're visualizing yourself in that moment and what that would
Speaker:look like. It's crazy. There's no need to step on
Speaker:sample, whatever anybody's. visions or dreams because
Speaker:I mean, it is what it is. They will be what they will be. And
Speaker:they will shift a thousand times, even within someone's small business, they
Speaker:will ship whatever. And sometimes it's trial and error. Sometimes it's
Speaker:trying something you think you would love and realizing it's not actually what you want and
Speaker:learn something else. So in terms of instilling, was
Speaker:it instilled in me? Was I born with it? I was not born
Speaker:knowing that I was motivated by challenges. And that's partly because I wasn't challenged
Speaker:The opportunity wasn't presented so that you had to test for that.
Speaker:I wasn't really challenged in sports. Things came a little easier for me, but
Speaker:again, I was in a small town. So like even
Speaker:academically, you know, I struggled more at university, not because
Speaker:it was harder, but because I had no study habits. I didn't really have to study. Like you
Speaker:can kind of learn things differently, but for me, it was. the
Speaker:jolt of realizing that I could have just very easily have just been
Speaker:on autopilot and gone through my life instead
Speaker:of actually discovering what opportunities lie beyond those boundaries
Speaker:I love that, thinking about it in terms of, I
Speaker:think, all facets. of our lives, right? It's
Speaker:one thing to say, what are we doing in the physical realm? Like, what are
Speaker:we capable of? I love the idea of if the challenge isn't
Speaker:big enough, you're never going to even know if you're capable of
Speaker:right up until that, maybe you're not capable of the thing, but you got
Speaker:within, you know, a hair of it. And that's pretty damn cool,
Speaker:regardless. But also from a business perspective, or from
Speaker:a career perspective, looking at we get used
Speaker:to the steps, like we get used to the height of the step
Speaker:and thinking like, okay, well, yeah, every single time we get a
Speaker:raise and then we go up and we get this raise or we get to this promotion. And
Speaker:you know, if you're in a career and then as an entrepreneur, I think it's very similar.
Speaker:If not, you don't build in enough steps as an entrepreneur, potentially
Speaker:as you go anyway. I love that though. I love thinking about it
Speaker:Not the one that's like, try that and just see, you never know. Let's see how close
Speaker:we can get to that. Once you start breaking that down and they
Speaker:see the steps, that's when they actually can see the possibilities. Like
Speaker:you see the one other thing that I promote with my clients and try
Speaker:and instill in them is that we're never pursuing guarantees. We're
Speaker:pursuing possibilities. Because there are no guarantees
Speaker:in sports. There are no guarantees in business. There are no guarantees in
Speaker:life. You never know what curveball is going to be thrown at you health-wise
Speaker:or financially, whatever. There are no guarantees. If
Speaker:you're pursuing something that is a guarantee, more likely than not, there's
Speaker:not going to be a whole lot of magic that's happening in there. You're
Speaker:not going to be testing yourself. You're not going to be discovering
Speaker:Where are you headed now? What's the next stretch goal you
Speaker:have? What are you actively pursuing right now?
Speaker:Yeah. So with my business, I'm mostly speaking at
Speaker:conferences and association events and, you know, for corporations and
Speaker:stuff and doing some coaching mostly, but
Speaker:it has been on my brain for a really long time. Like we're talking years, long
Speaker:time, like multiple years, long time. I have notes from like.
Speaker:six years ago, eight years ago on this, I'm finally in
Speaker:a place where, uh, the timing is right. And it
Speaker:is a really good time in my business where I'm at with being
Speaker:able to coach and help people through things. And so I'm adding retreats
Speaker:to my business. So I'm just offering retreats as
Speaker:an opportunity for a couple of reasons. One, I
Speaker:really feel like we are in a desperate need now to disconnect.
Speaker:To reconnect and that I mean, disconnecting from.
Speaker:like the noise of the opinions, values and
Speaker:expectations of other people so that we can
Speaker:actually have enough space and separation from that to
Speaker:be able to hear our own hearts and souls and our own thoughts
Speaker:about what we actually really want without the pressure of
Speaker:someone hovering over our shoulder and, you know, imposing their own expectations
Speaker:on us. And I think that's really hard to do when you are
Speaker:still at home in that environment with whatever. So for
Speaker:me, that total removal and disconnecting from
Speaker:everything to be able to be kind of present. Now I've got
Speaker:to say a lot of people are like, Oh, is it like a yoga meditation retreat?
Speaker:Well, I am not a yoga or meditation person. People can do yoga
Speaker:there if they want to. I have no problem with that. But for me, meditation,
Speaker:Yes. And I have thought that about myself. I thought it was terrible, but because
Speaker:I couldn't turn my brain off. But
Speaker:then I realized that I started looking at the times when I
Speaker:do turn my brain off and my brain turns off if I'm gardening, if
Speaker:I'm sitting on the deck at my cottage, watching birds, watching like
Speaker:stuff. If you're in an environment where you are absorbing what's actually
Speaker:happening in your environment, take that in. If you're puzzling,
Speaker:like things that are kind of consuming at all times. Like
Speaker:that to me, I noticed because we have a little family cabin and
Speaker:that is an escape for me. Like when I am there, things can
Speaker:go away. And I can literally be present. So for me,
Speaker:my definition of meditating, which someone kind of suggested and
Speaker:reinforced to me was just the ability to be present in
Speaker:that moment. And I think that we are so not present in
Speaker:that moment. And if you're present in that moment, you're not thinking about the work that has to be done.
Speaker:or Sally Jane wants you to be doing next week or
Speaker:what you feel like you should be doing. You're just literally in that moment. And
Speaker:when you're in that moment, then you can actually clear your mind and you can actually start
Speaker:allowing yourself to think about what you really want for
Speaker:your life and what you really want for your business. Sometimes in
Speaker:business, we're pursuing these levels in the business that we think we're
Speaker:supposed to be achieving. And I tell people just because
Speaker:you can, does not mean you should. So just because you
Speaker:can, I have a client right now and she owns a very successful business. And
Speaker:she kind of came to me at a point where she could take her business to
Speaker:like another million dollars level, like milestone, but she
Speaker:was also not happy. She was also feeling anxious, like
Speaker:a lot of anxiety about things. And when I said that to her, just because you
Speaker:can, doesn't mean you should. there's
Speaker:a difference. Like one, realizing that you can do it, but also realizing
Speaker:just because you can does not mean that that's the right step for you. It might be
Speaker:for someone else and you might feel that pressure of being like, oh my gosh, you
Speaker:need to do this or you need to take, you can totally do that. Well, yeah, thank
Speaker:you. I flattered that you feel that way, but that's not the life that
Speaker:I want or that's not what I, so it's just been a really remarkable
Speaker:thing. So for this retreat, it's the disconnect to reconnect, but it's also
Speaker:combining my love for travel. So
Speaker:they will be destination retreats and I'll probably have a couple every year. Part
Speaker:of it is taking in someone else's culture, doing really cool
Speaker:experience activities and things that you wouldn't necessarily do somewhere else.
Speaker:You know, we talk about, you need, you know, rest and recovery. Well, that's
Speaker:not the same thing. We kind of say rest and recovery as though it's
Speaker:the same thing, but they are not. You can rest
Speaker:your body and your mind just by. binge watching Netflix on
Speaker:the couch, like you can rest in yourself, but
Speaker:actually recovering yourself means like filling up your bucket,
Speaker:like the things that actually bring you joy and lift
Speaker:you up. And so for me, it's about providing kind of an opportunity for
Speaker:people to live the width of their lives instead of just autopiloting
Speaker:through the length of it and bringing really cool experiences. And also that
Speaker:opportunity to kind of tap into what's important to
Speaker:them so that they'll be reinforced and re-empowered when they get back to the
Speaker:Yeah, which doesn't happen if you lay on the couch and watch Netflix. No, it
Speaker:doesn't. Right? You sit up and you think, nope, my whole life's still here and it's
Speaker:still a disaster and I still need to deal with it and I have no insight as
Speaker:There's a time for that 100%. There's zero judgment here. But
Speaker:I do recognize that that is not recovery. That
Speaker:is resting and not you're still not recovering. So it's
Speaker:about finding those things that do light you up and bring you joy. And whether it's
Speaker:a hobby or whatever, that's recovery. But it's also stepping
Speaker:away from that environment, that noise that is adding
Speaker:pressure for you to be a certain way or to
Speaker:live up to a certain identity that you might not even identify with
Speaker:Those sound fantastic. What is your plan for
Speaker:that? Do you have dates? Do you have a plan yet? Or is it still kind of, Oh, good. So
Speaker:The plan was second week of April in Morocco, but because of
Speaker:the recent earthquake, we might actually push that back. It might
Speaker:be a little too soon to go there. I do know some people who were holding retreat
Speaker:there right now. It's fine. So I
Speaker:still might just wait a little bit instead of the second week in April, just because we
Speaker:have to kind of do some location shifts. It might be in May.
Speaker:Very cool. Very cool. I love that so much. I think
Speaker:that there's so much value in taking the
Speaker:time to assess, right? Because sometimes
Speaker:we've put the pressure on ourselves. Sometimes it's like, oops, I created
Speaker:a box for myself, stepped into the box and then duct
Speaker:taped it shut and thought, well, shit, I guess this is where I
Speaker:am, right? But most of us hopefully have a lot of life
Speaker:to live continuing beyond today, why do
Speaker:Like how do you- Those how questions I was asking, like how can I do
Speaker:it? How can I overcome it? You know, how close can I get? Most important one
Speaker:though is how can I thrive? And thriving isn't just like living through
Speaker:your life. It's like all of it, like actually living your
Speaker:life. So something I came up with recently and I just talked
Speaker:about in a recent keynote was flipping the script. I
Speaker:So he has a song called One Step Up and the lyric is
Speaker:one step up, two steps back. The expression as I've heard it was always two
Speaker:steps forward, one step back. Me too. Two steps forward, one step back.
Speaker:But regardless, both of those still share the same
Speaker:sentiment of discouragement. It's both very much so.
Speaker:Like you're trying, you're working so hard, but you're just not making
Speaker:any progress. Like you just feel like you're not going anywhere and you're getting pulled
Speaker:back. So maybe instead of a phrase of discouragement, we
Speaker:have to flip the script and instead it's a phrase of strategy
Speaker:on how to make progress. So instead of two steps back,
Speaker:maybe it's supposed to be one step back, two steps forward, meaning
Speaker:that we need to stop and take a step back for two reasons.
Speaker:One, So that you can actually be rested and recovered and actually know where
Speaker:it is you want to go. But also so that when you step back, you have a better perspective of
Speaker:everything. You have a better perspective of seeing the big picture
Speaker:of where you want to go, of how you're going to get there. And I think that that
Speaker:is. It just hit me and I was like, maybe we
Speaker:need to flip it. And so I think of these retreats,
Speaker:I think that there will be some people who may make it an annual thing where
Speaker:it's their time to, you know what? I'm with really cool
Speaker:people doing really cool things, but I also get that time to actually
Speaker:get away from all that racket and just tune in, just do a check
Speaker:and just tune in to make sure that I'm actually pursuing what I want to be pursuing or
Speaker:is there something else? just getting back realigned with what
Speaker:they really want. So I feel like with some people it might actually be an
Speaker:annual recharge, an annual like recovery for
Speaker:I love that so much. I'm like, Ooh, one step back, two
Speaker:steps forward. Like that will forever be in my head now as
Speaker:an alternative to that. Don't you think like, yes, that's
Speaker:the way I want to live. I don't want to assume you just keep staying stuck.
Speaker:in the whole, like you can't actually dig yourself forward. Cause it does feel
Speaker:But we all have those days, whether it's a big thing or whether it's inevitably grind, you
Speaker:know, when you're so tired and you're like, Oh no, I have a deadline. I just need to
Speaker:plug through this and plug through this and plug through this. And then if you
Speaker:literally just stepped away and went for a walk outside around the block and
Speaker:came back. But in the moment you're like, no, I can't, I don't have time. I don't have time
Speaker:I don't know. That feels too hard. Like that feels like it's taking away from
Speaker:And that's when we're all confronted with that same feeling. But if we kind
Speaker:of train ourselves to be like, you know what, I actually will be more productive.
Speaker:And I mean, in sports, so in sports, the higher levels
Speaker:Right. Because you can't just over-train yourself into excellence.
Speaker:But I do not notice that in any other industry. And physical recovery
Speaker:and mental recovery, like what you put your brain through on a daily basis or what
Speaker:you're, you know, testing yourself and the running around and you're just your
Speaker:energy recovery that you need. Like that's just no
Speaker:other industry, whether you're parenting, you're running, whether you're
Speaker:running, like nobody's taking those breaks to make their
Speaker:performance in what they do better. And
Speaker:so the value, if you actually value what you do, then you
Speaker:will value the importance of recovery in order to get better
Speaker:and to actually be able to perform at your best. Again, whether it's parenting,
Speaker:Whether it's trying to do all of those things all at the same time, right? I mean, that's... Exactly.
Speaker:Yeah. Heather, this has been fantastic. I could talk
Speaker:to you all day, but I know you have a dinner to go to. And
Speaker:is there anything else that you want to share
Speaker:or chat about before we wrap up today? I'll give you a chance at the very end
Speaker:to talk about where everybody can find you. Cause that's critical. And that will
Speaker:be in the show notes, but is there anything else that you're like, nope, they
Speaker:Oh, gosh, I don't know. Like there's so much we could talk about. We could just talk. I know. Is
Speaker:Maybe it's part one. Maybe it's like and we will be back again. Don't
Speaker:Yeah, I think that like those living in the how piece
Speaker:is really, really important. But those questions are
Speaker:kind of part of a group of key questions that I've kind
Speaker:of put together for people. And one of them, it's not a how question. It's
Speaker:a question. to doubt your doubt. So again, the moving
Speaker:from each section and the question is very simple. It's,
Speaker:Yeah. It's, are you sure? Because when I started doing research into
Speaker:the things that stop us from moving forward, we talked a little bit about the fear of
Speaker:failure, which is not actually a failure that we fear, but part
Speaker:of it is self-limiting beliefs. And a lot of it is assumptions. And
Speaker:so we assume like literally assume way too many things like, Oh my gosh, that person's
Speaker:going to say no, or I'm too tall for that. Or
Speaker:I'm not qualified enough or I'm too qualified or like, just,
Speaker:we assume. Like a ridiculous amount of things on
Speaker:a daily basis. And if we can learn to catch ourselves
Speaker:in those, then we can just say, are you sure? Like,
Speaker:Oh, I can't go to that. It's sold out by now. Like, are you sure?
Speaker:Or I can't afford that. Are you sure? Or like,
Speaker:I could never make that happen. Are you sure? Like, have you checked? Have
Speaker:you actually checked? And until you have checked,
Speaker:you're not sure you're just assuming you are like, so
Speaker:part of that is again, questioning those assumptions and questioning yourself,
Speaker:the self-limiting beliefs that are usually stories we've been holding onto since we
Speaker:were kids. So people can take these things away from them
Speaker:to like live in the, how, like add that, how question to everything, like, how can
Speaker:I, how can I do this? How can I overcome this? How can I thrive?
Speaker:You know, how close can I get, but also as soon as you've got any
Speaker:of those little, like I can't in there. Yep. You
Speaker:I don't know, I just want the best for everyone. And whether that is helping
Speaker:them get to the next level or helping them realize that just because
Speaker:they can get to the next level, doesn't mean they need to get to the
Speaker:next level. Doesn't mean they need to, like, for me, it's not about this outward material
Speaker:definition of success. It is about feeling success, like
Speaker:the fulfillment, which is actually feeling successful, which
Speaker:is very different from outward material success. It's about sometimes
Speaker:the impact we can make, the choices we make, the ripple effect of
Speaker:action from things we say, things we do. Yeah, that's
Speaker:it. I mean, my book doesn't really talk about those things, like the
Speaker:things like the key questions. That's kind of a newer thing for
Speaker:me, but my book is redefining realistic. It's personal
Speaker:development book, but it's also kind of balanced with anecdotes from
Speaker:overcoming different challenges along the way from different ways, how I
Speaker:develop certain perspectives and philosophies along the way. I
Speaker:actually had someone contact me for coaching. And then he said, but
Speaker:beforehand, I ordered your book. So I'm going to read your book first. And then after he
Speaker:goes, I'm good. I don't
Speaker:need you anymore. Your book was my book was enough. So I lost my
Speaker:family, but I think for him, he just needed a ship for him. It was just
Speaker:a shift. He actually was extremely successful already. And he
Speaker:was just at this point of transition in his life. And so he needed a coaching,
Speaker:he just needed either the wording or something either I would have
Speaker:said, but it was written instead where it just made him think like
Speaker:in a different way. And he's like, you know what? Okay, I'm good. And
Speaker:sometimes that's all people need is just a little shift, shift of how
Speaker:So, yeah. Well, and that's the whole goal of having a coach, right. Is to
Speaker:hire you to hire me to engage in any
Speaker:of the, you know, material that we're putting out there, whether it's books or podcasts or
Speaker:whatever, it's. if it can impact one person to
Speaker:figure out where they go next, what they do next, how
Speaker:they accomplish the thing, how they don't accomplish the thing, because it's not their
Speaker:goal, whatever that might be. That's the whole point. That's why we're all doing this,
Speaker:People, I think, think that getting a coach like this is like, oh,
Speaker:I shouldn't need that. But I'm a coach, but I also coach. Me
Speaker:too. I didn't grow up in business and I didn't grow up, you know, doing
Speaker:these things. You need coaches to help you through these things. And I had a coach as an
Speaker:athlete. So if I wanted to reach another level as an athlete, I got a
Speaker:coach. So if you want to reach another level, whether it's in your career or
Speaker:your business, or just taking your life, like how to design your
Speaker:life and live your life, if you want to take that to a next level of fulfillment, you
Speaker:sometimes need help. And sometimes it's just, the person to say the
Speaker:right thing or to help you see things in a different way and to help shift the
Speaker:way you are approaching something. It's just brilliant. I love
Speaker:Oh yeah. Where you're like, oh, there we go. That's everything I needed to
Speaker:I wish I'd known that was the one sentence. I just never
Speaker:thought of it that way. Like that's just the best part. It's awesome.
Speaker:Yep. I love it. Yeah, it is. Thank you so much for
Speaker:joining me today. This was great. Yeah. I loved it. Yeah. I
Speaker:will put your website, of course, in the show notes, but where do you connect with
Speaker:The website is a lot for people who are hiring for speakers, or
Speaker:if you want private coaching and stuff, you could go through there or any kind of
Speaker:coaching. Like you can kind of contact me through there anyway, for anything
Speaker:really. I mean, I'm on social media, mostly on Instagram and
Speaker:Facebook. Twitter's there, but I would say mostly on
Speaker:Instagram and Facebook. But also, I
Speaker:know you're going to provide my website and the show notes. I can also give a link to
Speaker:my book. It's audio book or hardcover or you can get
Speaker:the softcover on Amazon, but hardcover comes directly from me so I
Speaker:can sign those before they go. Oh, very cool. Yeah. The audio book
Speaker:also is available. I will also give a link to a landing page
Speaker:that it's kind of a gift. It'll be a gift for your viewers and listeners. It's just
Speaker:like a mini video series that's just short
Speaker:bursts of like videos that are between two to
Speaker:five minutes, I'd say. And just for a couple months every week,
Speaker:getting kind of this burst of, of inspiration of
Speaker:perspective, motivation, like just a little bit of shift. So.
Speaker:I love that. So throughout that series, towards the end of that series, a
Speaker:notification will probably come in maybe as things get closer to details
Speaker:on the retreats. Even if we might just send something out, if you are
Speaker:interested in information on those, you know, then sign up
Speaker:and people can decide and then we'll hold webinars on strategy sessions
Speaker:Yeah. Well, thank you, Heather. I'll let you head off to
Speaker:your dinner and we will keep in touch for sure. Wonderful.
